I should elaborate that I've BLUNTLY told the 'friends' what they were doing, as RQRose put it, below, they really pretend like its the most confusing concept either.
well here it is ladies: decide whats more important
your emotional wants or needs...and reconcile if they're even *emotional*(?)
you all focus so much on aesthetic and the opinions of other women--dudes, as logic-oriented beings say internally so many words "Ok, I like her, she's cute, she's smart and I'm sure I could deal with her moody..good. I'll date her." And if our friends or family say something we either get pissed or ignore them--pending.
women have a bunch of things spinning in their heads that the majority of them really don't actually matter in the scheme of things relationship wise.
so really, there's a man with a knife in every alley just waiting for a female to walk by. We live in an era where you still have to build your own house and toil away in the ground? Fight off saber tooth tigers? Yeah, I did that for breakfast today.
you say a lot of real, dude. however I don't agree with your saying due to a person having a questionable dating past or neuroses they are undeserving of love...really? is that something a nice guy thinks or says?
you're echoing exactly what you've tried to pass judgment on, except you even added in some straight up insults.
you're not a nice guy either..you're a moralistic, persnickety manboy most likely suffering Oedipus complex. And I'm sure your mother still makes up your bed and if you don't live with her, she still tries to clean your place when she comes over. She was probably perfect in every way too, huh?
you may have a nice facade, but your innards pretty cruel.
honestly..now that I think deeper on it...nice guy, nice gal...really? those concepts are horrid. all humans are sentient error from time to time. just because a gal has horrid dating patterns doesnt make her bad, just makes her bad at dating--unless she continuously lulls herself back into her romantic somnambulism after the downfall of yet another one of the pre-packaged romantic doom, she really isn't to be blamed (here Id add judge the sin..). though its quite enfuriating and it hurts people like me.
but now I add the disclaimer: as someone who almost used to non-intentionally collect "friends", a lot of these women do do this thing over and over and over again, and even know what they're doing (or would figure it out if they were truly honest with themselves--which they aren't because they're afraid of what's outside their allegorical "matrix"), though they feign this overwhelming confusion.
they want what they want. And they want to feel a certain variety of stimulation and ambiance that they can only feel with certain types of fellows--albeit very much so irrelevent to someone who wants to be in a REAL relationship, they always say to themselves "well, this time it'll be different" yet they ignore that the if the schematics are the same, the mechanization will function the same--doesn't matter what "finish" the chassis is or what colour, either. Take that as you may.
but this is true. I can tell you that getting a lot of positive attention from females for most reformed nice guys can be a rush...but eventually the real you chimes in from the background and says:
dude, they're not into YOU, they're into this facade..and you do feel very hollow. Even if some gal claims to love you, she doesnt. she doesnt even know or understand you, and you're DARN SURE that when you drop the act:
when you refrain from all but tying your hands down when you get the urge to just hear her voice, or when you want to wait on her hand and foot--she's vapor.
but you know what, I'm far from boring. I'm the most unique person most everyone I've ever met has met--they say so. I am that way on purpose because I refused to be another drone.
the problem is "they"--the gals I dated or were involved in and really felt for judged my having little worth because I was so into them.
And thinking about that from this angle currently...maybe their own self-esteem which is a source of the "nice guy" issues.
Things would be so much easier if people wouldn't stigmatize serious self help/growth and development. And just learned about themselves..and were HONEST with themselves.
Amen brother. Though, as you said it snot always from "fix-him-itis" that women choose them, though some gals will mislead themselves into thinking that more than actually feeling the sentiment in their hearts--meaning their actual acting and the scripts in their hearts will diverge significantly if put to scrutiny.
And aye...think about it ladies...do you really think guys just want to be friends with you? We're all sure you're great. but typically we don't PURSUE FRIENDSHIPS WITH WOMEN--not for the sake of it. Its almost always the "way in", though usually a bad backdoor whose lock is almost always rusted shut.
gals are really into being "tickled". chemistry boils down to how you play the marionette, really. Being "yourself" is something reserved for unconditionally loving people...
who really loves unconditionally? we cant even stop to give a bum the change we got from our 6 dollar coffee.
the dating arena is just flawed from the foundation. and that's because an immature race of human animals built after belying the defeat of the true human animal heart.
A gal can convince herself a guy is boring if he's not toggling the switches she wants him to. Its just narcissism, really. They're entitled. As you said, once you used the strategies you saw you became "the man".
it wasn't that you were boring--and lets be honest, most nice guys are smarter, have diverse interests, and actual ideals--the brawny bad boys DONT. They spend their time doing the typical things archetypal males do.
its all about certain females and their presupposition of how a male should make them feel--as a woman. It really boils down to a lack of authenticity and honesty with self, and just imitation intimacy given by a woman and their sense of "security".
or saying how "rad" and "awesome" they are like a parrot...that stuff isn't attractive. its peurile and off-putting for real guys.
I'm sure you're awesome, but when you say it like you've never picked up a dictionary or thesaurus in your life its just ..eh...ok. this gal is really into herself and I just think I'm good. I'm O.K. for a human guy. Not the "cats pajamas"
some women never grow out of their princess mentality their mommies and daddies encouraged. I am -not- going to do that to my daughter. I'm going to raise her to be an authentic, independent woman who doesn't rely on men financially, but knows that a man or even woman she falls for should only be required to be (and able to be) relied on emotionally--without question, reciprocity will surely be a part of the curriculum.
if it wasn't for the bad attitude of most women, chivalry would not have become so in-demand.
and hell, why can't she open the door for me? I thought we were abolishing gender roles? Maybe I didn't get the memo which stated: only in specific cases where traditionalism inconveniences or limits a woman.
what was the feminist movement about? Equality or getting reparations for the male chauvinism of the past...
and...I urge people to get hip to the term "misandrism"...its rampant in our society. It really has become a society where the male is hated and women rule it--even if it is just via proxy. lets be honest here, fellow Earthicans.
if a guy was saying this, he'd be told to suck it up. let the woman be a modern gal and have her space and stop hanging off of her skirt. or am I wrong?
sadly, I do agree with a lot of what you say, which is why its so baffling...the things women can get away with asking for, that men are not.
hahahaha oh god.
I thought I was the only guy who thought this.
lots of modern women really do want a two-way turnstile when it comes to gender roles. And they never seem to notice, which is appalling to me.
And note: I'm all for chivalry. I just dislike the modern "independent" femminazis who instantly become little girls when it suits them.
Bill Burr did a good joke about this, I suggest you tube it.
Women don't consider their limitations and that in all actuality, society would be in shambles without men fulfilling some of the more classic roles--like protecting the country from tyrants and terrorists.
Maybe it's due to a conditioning over generations or the fact that women have different parts than us which function at different levels of intensity (see: the difference between estrogen and testosterone)...which enables one gender to do certain things actually BETTER than the other gender.
hmm..dunno if sites like this are good or just helping augment the sense of entitlement people feel, currently in addition to pushing people further into the sectarian mindset, socially and romantically.
both, I guess. but I guess I shouldn't mention that downer, hey?
not like we're all different to learn from one another.
too bad that "you know what's best for you" approach is horrid. Most of those people on the site--and our society in general lack the level of self-awareness to be honest with themselves...and furthermore my peers--the young adults are very entitled and narcissistic.
then again, those pay site? well its the same folks, except telling themselves creative lies--it all boils down to folks seeking energizing and not Real Love.
ON Dating - Nice Guys
I should elaborate that I've BLUNTLY told the 'friends' what they were doing, as RQRose put it, below, they really pretend like its the most confusing concept either.
well here it is ladies: decide whats more important
your emotional wants or needs...and reconcile if they're even *emotional*(?)
you all focus so much on aesthetic and the opinions of other women--dudes, as logic-oriented beings say internally so many words "Ok, I like her, she's cute, she's smart and I'm sure I could deal with her moody..good. I'll date her." And if our friends or family say something we either get pissed or ignore them--pending.
women have a bunch of things spinning in their heads that the majority of them really don't actually matter in the scheme of things relationship wise.
so really, there's a man with a knife in every alley just waiting for a female to walk by. We live in an era where you still have to build your own house and toil away in the ground? Fight off saber tooth tigers? Yeah, I did that for breakfast today.
Le F#$*in' Sigh.
ON Dating - Nice Guys
you say a lot of real, dude. however I don't agree with your saying due to a person having a questionable dating past or neuroses they are undeserving of love...really? is that something a nice guy thinks or says?
you're echoing exactly what you've tried to pass judgment on, except you even added in some straight up insults.
you're not a nice guy either..you're a moralistic, persnickety manboy most likely suffering Oedipus complex. And I'm sure your mother still makes up your bed and if you don't live with her, she still tries to clean your place when she comes over. She was probably perfect in every way too, huh?
you may have a nice facade, but your innards pretty cruel.
honestly..now that I think deeper on it...nice guy, nice gal...really? those concepts are horrid. all humans are sentient error from time to time. just because a gal has horrid dating patterns doesnt make her bad, just makes her bad at dating--unless she continuously lulls herself back into her romantic somnambulism after the downfall of yet another one of the pre-packaged romantic doom, she really isn't to be blamed (here Id add judge the sin..). though its quite enfuriating and it hurts people like me.
but now I add the disclaimer: as someone who almost used to non-intentionally collect "friends", a lot of these women do do this thing over and over and over again, and even know what they're doing (or would figure it out if they were truly honest with themselves--which they aren't because they're afraid of what's outside their allegorical "matrix"), though they feign this overwhelming confusion.
they want what they want. And they want to feel a certain variety of stimulation and ambiance that they can only feel with certain types of fellows--albeit very much so irrelevent to someone who wants to be in a REAL relationship, they always say to themselves "well, this time it'll be different" yet they ignore that the if the schematics are the same, the mechanization will function the same--doesn't matter what "finish" the chassis is or what colour, either. Take that as you may.
ON Dating - Nice Guys
sadly real love rarely exists nowadays.
but this is true. I can tell you that getting a lot of positive attention from females for most reformed nice guys can be a rush...but eventually the real you chimes in from the background and says:
dude, they're not into YOU, they're into this facade..and you do feel very hollow. Even if some gal claims to love you, she doesnt. she doesnt even know or understand you, and you're DARN SURE that when you drop the act:
when you refrain from all but tying your hands down when you get the urge to just hear her voice, or when you want to wait on her hand and foot--she's vapor.
but you know what, I'm far from boring. I'm the most unique person most everyone I've ever met has met--they say so. I am that way on purpose because I refused to be another drone.
the problem is "they"--the gals I dated or were involved in and really felt for judged my having little worth because I was so into them.
And thinking about that from this angle currently...maybe their own self-esteem which is a source of the "nice guy" issues.
Things would be so much easier if people wouldn't stigmatize serious self help/growth and development. And just learned about themselves..and were HONEST with themselves.
GROW UP, PLANET EARTH
ON Dating - Nice Guys
Amen brother. Though, as you said it snot always from "fix-him-itis" that women choose them, though some gals will mislead themselves into thinking that more than actually feeling the sentiment in their hearts--meaning their actual acting and the scripts in their hearts will diverge significantly if put to scrutiny.
And aye...think about it ladies...do you really think guys just want to be friends with you? We're all sure you're great. but typically we don't PURSUE FRIENDSHIPS WITH WOMEN--not for the sake of it. Its almost always the "way in", though usually a bad backdoor whose lock is almost always rusted shut.
ON Dating - Nice Guys
that's so true, mate.
gals are really into being "tickled". chemistry boils down to how you play the marionette, really. Being "yourself" is something reserved for unconditionally loving people...
who really loves unconditionally? we cant even stop to give a bum the change we got from our 6 dollar coffee.
the dating arena is just flawed from the foundation. and that's because an immature race of human animals built after belying the defeat of the true human animal heart.
A gal can convince herself a guy is boring if he's not toggling the switches she wants him to. Its just narcissism, really. They're entitled. As you said, once you used the strategies you saw you became "the man".
it wasn't that you were boring--and lets be honest, most nice guys are smarter, have diverse interests, and actual ideals--the brawny bad boys DONT. They spend their time doing the typical things archetypal males do.
its all about certain females and their presupposition of how a male should make them feel--as a woman. It really boils down to a lack of authenticity and honesty with self, and just imitation intimacy given by a woman and their sense of "security".
ON Dating - Mistakes Women Make
exactly.
when did this become the modus operandi of the majority of contemporary females?
ON Dating - Mistakes Women Make
or saying how "rad" and "awesome" they are like a parrot...that stuff isn't attractive. its peurile and off-putting for real guys.
I'm sure you're awesome, but when you say it like you've never picked up a dictionary or thesaurus in your life its just ..eh...ok. this gal is really into herself and I just think I'm good. I'm O.K. for a human guy. Not the "cats pajamas"
a little modesty goes a long way.
ON Dating - Biggest Mistakes Men Make
completely spot-on.
some women never grow out of their princess mentality their mommies and daddies encouraged. I am -not- going to do that to my daughter. I'm going to raise her to be an authentic, independent woman who doesn't rely on men financially, but knows that a man or even woman she falls for should only be required to be (and able to be) relied on emotionally--without question, reciprocity will surely be a part of the curriculum.
ON Dating - Biggest Mistakes Men Make
God, I totally agree.
if it wasn't for the bad attitude of most women, chivalry would not have become so in-demand.
and hell, why can't she open the door for me? I thought we were abolishing gender roles? Maybe I didn't get the memo which stated: only in specific cases where traditionalism inconveniences or limits a woman.
what was the feminist movement about? Equality or getting reparations for the male chauvinism of the past...
and...I urge people to get hip to the term "misandrism"...its rampant in our society. It really has become a society where the male is hated and women rule it--even if it is just via proxy. lets be honest here, fellow Earthicans.
ON Dating - Biggest Mistakes Men Make
if a guy was saying this, he'd be told to suck it up. let the woman be a modern gal and have her space and stop hanging off of her skirt. or am I wrong?
sadly, I do agree with a lot of what you say, which is why its so baffling...the things women can get away with asking for, that men are not.
ON Dating - Biggest Mistakes Men Make
hahahaha oh god.
I thought I was the only guy who thought this.
lots of modern women really do want a two-way turnstile when it comes to gender roles. And they never seem to notice, which is appalling to me.
And note: I'm all for chivalry. I just dislike the modern "independent" femminazis who instantly become little girls when it suits them.
Bill Burr did a good joke about this, I suggest you tube it.
Women don't consider their limitations and that in all actuality, society would be in shambles without men fulfilling some of the more classic roles--like protecting the country from tyrants and terrorists.
Maybe it's due to a conditioning over generations or the fact that women have different parts than us which function at different levels of intensity (see: the difference between estrogen and testosterone)...which enables one gender to do certain things actually BETTER than the other gender.
who knows?
ON Dating - Niche Dating Sites
hmm..dunno if sites like this are good or just helping augment the sense of entitlement people feel, currently in addition to pushing people further into the sectarian mindset, socially and romantically.
both, I guess. but I guess I shouldn't mention that downer, hey?
not like we're all different to learn from one another.
ON Dating - OKCupid.com Interview
too bad that "you know what's best for you" approach is horrid. Most of those people on the site--and our society in general lack the level of self-awareness to be honest with themselves...and furthermore my peers--the young adults are very entitled and narcissistic.
then again, those pay site? well its the same folks, except telling themselves creative lies--it all boils down to folks seeking energizing and not Real Love.